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Thomas Orde, 1746–1807

Educational Innovator

by Tony Lyons (Author)
©2024 Monographs X, 198 Pages

Summary

The book deals with Thomas Orde, Chief Secretary for Ireland 1784–1787, and his plans for an innovative education scheme for Ireland. His education plan was introduced in the Irish House of Commons in 1787, but because of circumstances beyond Orde’s control, it never reached the stage of a second or third reading. It is, nevertheless, an important intervention in the history of Irish education, as it paved the way for educational research and a host of fresh plans for Irish education over the following half-century, culminating with the introduction of the National System in 1831.

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Names: Lyons, Tony, 1957-author.

Title: Thomas Orde, 1746-1807: educational innovator / Tony Lyons.

Description: Berlin; New York: Peter Lang, 2024. | Includes
bibliographical references and index.

Identifiers: LCCN 2023056304 (print) | LCCN 2023056305 (ebook) | ISBN
9781803743516 (paperback) | ISBN 9781803743523 (ebook) | ISBN
9781803743530 (epub)

Subjects: LCSH: Education--Ireland--History--18th century. |
Education--Ireland--History--19th century. | Education and
state--Ireland--History--18th century. | Education and
state--Ireland--History--19th century. | Orde, Thomas, 1746-1807.

Classification: LCC LA669.62. L963 2024 (print) | LCC LA669.62 (ebook) |
DDC 370.941709/ 033--dc23/eng/20231229

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Cover image: The portrait of Order was painted by Pompeo Girolamo Batoni c.1773.
Cover design by Peter Lang Group AG

About the author

Dr Tony Lyons, Retired Lecturer in History of Education, Mary Immaculate College, University of Limerick. Author of The Education Work of Richard Lovell Edgeworth 2003; the Pay Schools of Ireland and their Interface with the National Board, 2020; Thomas Wyse, 1791–1862: A leading advocate of education Reform, 2023.

About the book

The book deals with Thomas Orde, Chief Secretary for Ireland 1784–1787, and his plans for an innovative education scheme for Ireland. His education plan was introduced in the Irish House of Commons in 1787, but because of circumstances beyond Orde’s control, it never reached the stage of a second or third reading. It is, nevertheless, an important intervention in the history of Irish education, as it paved the way for educational research and a host of fresh plans for Irish education over the following half-century, culminating with the introduction of the National System in 1831.

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Contents

Acknowledgements

I would like to thank the staffs of two libraries: Mary Immaculate College Library, University of Limerick; the National Library of Ireland, Kildare Street, Dublin.

For my wife Sadhbh’s patience, I owe a great debt of gratitude.

CHAPTER 1

Introduction to the Eighteenth Century: New Ideas; Orde’s Background; Hely-Hutchinson

Several factors determine the development of educational systems, some of which are active at any given moment, and are contemporaneous with the system being initiated, while others, stem from the past, and have a long-lasting sway on the outcomes of various systems. It is difficult to distinguish the relevant levels of efficacy each one sustains. Each has potential persuasive powers and must be considered carefully as a possible factor in the evolution of a system. The relationship between any specific episode and the special forces will clearly determine the importance of any event as a factor. An analysis of the factors influencing developments in the history of Irish primary education must include reasonably detailed accounts of the main episodes, and a study of these is an essential preliminary to the discussion of their interaction with the unseen, persistent and inevitable forces of Irish society at any particular time. Nothing works in complete isolation from the broader world, and, so the study of the main educational developments must be fitted into the social life of the community and even into the more expansive world outlook. Thus, it is crucial to position Thomas Orde and his elaborate plan for Irish education in the 1780s within the context of historical efforts to introduce an education system and contemporary influences which may have aided or hindered further advances.

Eighteenth-century Ireland under the Georges suffered considerable neglect. The theme of many a melodious ‘Aisling’ or ‘Vision’ was that of a symbolic Ireland, a beautiful, sorrowful woman and her rightful spouse, a mythical Stuart, in the shape of ‘Bonnie Prince Charlie.’ The Prince was the Jacobite heir to the throne, but had little chance of ever coming to Ireland and ‘saving’ or ‘rescuing’ the country from its Protestant overlords.

The old Gaelic order of poets, bards and patronage was gone. Any hope of a Catholic revival ended in 1745 with a failed Stuart rebellion. The world of the ‘file’ (poet), the Brehon, the man of learning, art, poetry, whose history as an established and cultured class going back to pagan Ireland was now vanquished and all over. The Irish language was retained only by the provincial peasant classes; the Irish aristocracy were all gone, and from that viewpoint Ireland was leaderless.

In the eighteenth century, the effect of the penal laws was to confine Irish education to the pay schools. A handful of proselytizing schools had survived from the time of Henry VIII but the vast majority of the Irish people who did have some kind of formal education attended the pay schools. They were mainly Catholic in nature, but there were also Dissenter pay schools, such as Presbyterian.

The backdrop to the social aspects of Irish history during this period, and taking education as one aspect of concern for the British state in Ireland, was that a concept like education was, in reality, a micro-site of power that became colonized or adapted into the changing rationale of government and became an element in the various technologies of government aimed at managing populations. While some historians suggest the range of possible motivations for the involvement of the British state in Irish education ranged from altruism to exploitation,1 in the context of this book the British state established a national education system in Ireland as a social technology, which aimed to create predictable patterns of behaviour on the part of the individual and the general populace.2 Thomas Orde was a cog within that process; it was he who initiated the process, and by initiating the process the state, through subsequent inquiries merged into the field of education, and in this manner legitimized the education of the poor in Ireland as an objective of government. Orde’s plan of 1787 was the first suggestion of a centralized system of education in the country and, while it was not implemented, it represented the first attempt by the state to directly intervene in educational matters, notwithstanding Tudor attempts of an earlier time. Orde’s involvement in education provision in Ireland, coupled with the subsequent series of inquiries demonstrate the ongoing legitimization of education as an object of government.

Ireland, in the eighteenth century, was a country of contrasts, squalor and splendour, poverty and prosperity. The poor ate potatoes and drank cheap whisky. Rioting was the result of food shortages. The famine of 1739 was a greater disaster proportionately than the famine of the 1840s. The landlord estate system of agrarian management meant that landowners were often the principal local decision-makers, and in contrast the Georgian period was one of wealth for landowners. They owned country mansions and town houses.

Roads, railways and canals were being built. Ireland only experienced the fringes of the Industrial Revolution, bar the north-eastern part of the island. These roads, railways and canals offered little by way of improvement to the circumstances of the general population. The pockets of the gentry and propertied classes were lined during the eighteenth century. Little wonder then that education was used at the end of the century and during the next as an agent in maintaining the status quo. The political, social and economic supremacy of a small but leading class was preserved. The growing attachment to things mechanical, technical and scientific throughout the eighteenth century is evidence of the ruling classes, the business people, viewing education as a tool, as a political and economic football with which to preserve and advance their own ends.

As the century wore on the Penal Laws were relaxed, and in the 1780s and 1790s repealed. Ascendancy and middle-class Ireland functioned mainly within the confines of the old Pale, with Dublin as its centre of power, and the city itself gaining in status within the Empire to become its second city. At the end of this century, the powers that be took it upon themselves an interest in educational matters.

Eighteenth-century Ireland, in the words of Lecky, was both ambivalent and inspirational. The likes of W. B. Yeats and Elizabeth Bowen imagined the era in the following terms:

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Pages
X, 198
Publication Year
2024
ISBN (PDF)
9781803743523
ISBN (ePUB)
9781803743530
ISBN (PDF)
9781803744087
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DOI
10.3726/b21444
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English
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2024 (July)
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Innovative original precedence all-embracing attempt at multi-denominational scheme it set the tone for future efforts (a blueprint) Educational Innovator
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Biographical notes

Tony Lyons (Author)

Dr Tony Lyons, Retired Lecturer in History of Education, Mary Immaculate College, University of Limerick. Author of The Education Work of Richard Lovell Edgeworth 2003; the Pay Schools of Ireland and their Interface with the National Board, 2020; Thomas Wyse, 1791–1862: A leading advocate of education Reform, 2023.

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